Campaigns

[icebrain]

What kinds of campaigns are we thinking of doing? Possibly a late-80's one, where the USSR and US get involved in a full-blown conflict?

And, of course, an EF campaign (or super TE).

[T_Rex]

In my mind, I was kinda thinking that EF would be for TEs. Part of the problem is that alot of the USAF planes came from basis outside the theater - Kuwait, SA, etc. Not to mention the B-2s flying from the US of A!

Having said that, some ideas are rummaging through my mind of having a pseudo-EF, where the US got a little more help from the neighboring countries and were allowed to position strike aircraft in Pakistan, for instance.

Otherwise, I'm also thinking of a post-EF campaign where the breakdown of the interim government in Afghanistan creates a power-vacuum where China, Iran, and Pakistan all try to take parts of Afghanistan. Could make for an interesting US/Central Republics/Russia coalition fighting a two-front war.

Then, too I think a fictional historical campaign would be very interesting.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by icebrain:
where the USSR and US get involved in a full-blown conflict?

I'm all for the full blown campaign.

quote:Originally posted by T_Rex:
having a pseudo-EF, where the US got a little more help from the neighboring countries and were allowed to position strike aircraft in Pakistan, for instance.

Currently my campaign is having AWACS, Tankers and few F-16's in Pakistan then full two carrier fleets in the ocean.

How about one which is timelined in few months from now: Terrorists are dead, Afghanistan is liberated where U.S./Coalition forces are stationed in Afghanistan and Iran and/or China launches full scale assault on them?

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Snake Man

[Ender Wiggin]

Good idea, also to add to ODS, Iraq is starting to build weapons again, and we may have to start to bomb them again. Also there may be some F-15Es in Iran i think.

[T_Rex]

quote:Originally posted by Ender Wiggin:
Also there may be some F-15Es in Iran i think.

Do you mean in real life? I seriously doubt it. For awhile it looked like they might help us by not saying much, then they re-iterated that the US is the Great Satan and that its the duty of all muslims to assist in the defense of Islam. Not particularly helpful at this point...

[Ender Wiggin]

Well Afaik they were where ever the F-16s were at. I was assuming it was Iran, but it might not be.

[T_Rex]

Actually, IIRC (and I'll check on this today), I think they were making the flight from Kuwait or Yemen or someplace like that. I think it took 2 or 3 air refuels each way IIRC.

I'm pretty sure Iran wouldn't let us anywhere near their airspace. It'd be great if you could find something about it, though! It'd make it easier to include the planes in the theater!

[Snake Man]

The first campaign I'm creating, more or less Enduring Freedom (altough we cannot make 100% realistic due f4 engine constraints) would contain these countries or teams in falcon terms:

teams
1 US == U.S. (no ground objectives).
2 ROK == Pakistan. (allied).
3 Japan == India/Iran. (neutral).
4 CIS == Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. (allied).
5 PRC == China. (hostile).
6 DPRK == Afghanistan (at war!)
7 Gorn == ?

Does that sound good?

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Snake Man

[icebrain]

Ok, that works... except I would suggest changing Iran to the Gorn (7)...

As for 2nd campaign:

Time: early 1980's (82 maybe?)

Situation: Increased USSR intervention in Afghanistan has escalated tensions in the region. US forces get dragged into the conflict. US ground troops land in Pakistan to transit to Afghanistan. CVBG's and Pakistani bases hold US airpower while Soviets use captured airbases/bases in Soviet Republics (now Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan).

Teams:

1 US == U.S. (no ground objectives; uses Afghan, maybe Pakistani airbases).
2 ROK == Afghanistan. (allied).
3 Japan == India (neutral).
4 CIS == USSR. (at war).
5 PRC == China. (hostile).
6 DPRK == Pakistan (friendly)
7 Gorn == Iran (hostile).

China, India possibly entering later on. Pakistan enters if India does.

[T_Rex]

Here's an outline of a possible future campaign:

US helps broker Afghan peace. Has some airbases in country. Relatively peaceful. Iran makes bid for land, as do Pakistan and China.

1 US == U.S. (no ground objectives; uses Afghan).
2 ROK == Afghanistan. (allied).
3 Japan == India (neutral).
4 CIS == CIS (allied).
5 PRC == China. (hostile).
6 DPRK == Pakistan (hostile)
7 Gorn == Iran (hostile).

I'm thinking that it would be US and CIS countries occupy middle area fighting 2 (or 3) front battle against Iran and China and Pakistan (although Pakistan could be allied, and fighting India on its flank). I'm not sure if F4 supports 3 groups of combatants:
US/CIS v. Iran v. China where Iran and China might be fighting each other, too.

Does this make sense? Prolly not.
T

[ccc]

[quote]quote:Originally posted by T_Rex:
I'm not sure if F4 supports 3 groups of combatants:
US/CIS v. Iran v. China where Iran and China might be fighting each other, too.

Does this make sense? Prolly not.
guess f4 campagin logic wont work.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
guess f4 campagin logic wont work.

What logic are you referring to?

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Snake Man

[Snake Man]

I changed the Iran to Gorn. Some old days there was talk about gorn not being used and somehow the impression was that its not going to work, well at least the campaign runs when Iranian objectives are change to team 7 - gorn.

So far no luck with the campaign activity. We do have 4 x AWACS flights and hmm I think 5 x TANKER flights and the usual BARCAPS. but the offensive flights are ridiculous one sweep.

Back to work baby...

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Snake Man

[ccc]

quote:Originally posted by Snake Man:
What logic are you referring to?

If we make several involved countries being hostile, can our campaign AI can generate missions for them? just too complex.

[Snake Man]

I finally got some activity in the campaign. Guess how hard was it to do?

Change one number from 5 to 95. sigh...

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Snake Man

[Snake Man]

I was working half the night for this PAK map and finally its working, man am I tired.



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Snake Man

[ccc]

well done, it works..with ALL BLUE side a/c over the theater!!

seems it feature Op EF right? guess our targets is quite sparse?

my 2c, to increase the quantity of target and make campaign last longer, we'd better add:

1.Add more enemy infantry units, of smaller size of troop. this will increase the need for more strike flights.

2. Add more and more bunker targets, especially underground type, and set their damage point higher to stand with more hits. this will need more flights/or more powerful strike to destroy them, thus increasing the air activity.

3. air mobile. no idea how to implant this. if air mobile or insertion op available, we'll expect more BAI or CAS missions.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
seems it feature Op EF right? guess our targets is quite sparse?

Pretty much Operation Enduring Freedom. There is only airbases, villages, cities and factories/power stations. I have only recently added few SAM sites, army bases and depots to reflect the defenselink.mil data on Operation Enduring Freedom.

I guess real life GARRISON would be like Falcon 4 Depot?

quote:increase the quantity of target and make campaign last longer

Gee whiz

btw I left the campaing running on 64x time for some time and it reached DAY 14 with more or less the same activity as shown in the screenshot.

quote:Add more enemy infantry units, of smaller size of troop. this will increase the need for more strike flights.

I tought ground troops got CAS/BAI flights? (yet I dont even know what BAI means hehe) Battle Area .. Interdiction heh I'll shuttup now

quote:Add more and more bunker targets, especially underground type, and set their damage point higher to stand with more hits.

How do I add the damage points of objective? Would that be like Hcpookie's thing?

quote:air mobile. no idea how to implant this. if air mobile or insertion op available, we'll expect more BAI or CAS missions.

Uhm, I thought air mobile was just combined forces of airlift (aircrafts) and airmobile (infantry) units.

But again, what do I know.

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Snake Man

[Ender Wiggin]

BAI is Battlefield Air Interdiction, about the same as Close Air Support i think. In F4, i was assigned BAI once and i had to kill tanks. OEF it may be trucks? BTW 14 days isnt bad, AFAIK, Korea is bout 3 days right? i wouldnt know ive never finished a campaign.

[ccc]

AFAIK, BAI aims to stop enemy ground forces from entering the combat zone. as for CAS, enemy and friendly are fighting at close-in combat.

For small size troops, we'll need Jerry to add new unit, to simulate Taliban forces. Less heavy metals, more infantry and light motars, probably few MANPADS. Evene AAA could be very sparse, i mean medium-large caliber ones.

For bunker or underground caves, need Jerry to set up new item with higher damage tolerance points.

Air mobile, hope we can simulate chopper air mobile/insertion. I remember Jerry once posted his experience on Combatsim board.

Of course, we probably need some SAR missions, like..Black Hawk DOWN or Behind Enemy line

[ccc]

Guess Afghanistan theater needs more B-1 inovlved! (and JDAM supported)
http://www.af.mil/news/Mar2002/n20020329_0489.shtml