New tiles for vietnam

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-19 19:39:00

Ok, hey, ccc, dont worry about telling me all the crapy bugs of my tiles, i dont mind, since im the one who makes them its hard for me to see the errors so thats why i post pics here, so you can see them, about the nevada screen, well its not really a nevada screenshoot, i did this one about three months ago or so, whenever i was learning to make tiles, just have to say that this ones are just the negatives of the original falcon ones with some aditional editing, since i dont wanna make a new topic heres the shoot, i would like to encourage the desert storm guys (expecially T-bone) to use this cool tecnique. ok, heres the shoot.

About the green brightes, its almost solved, still playing arround to find the right colours, also ive though about doing some new farm river tiles since i think almost all of the rice paddies are next to the rivers, anyway this is just an idea by now.

quote:Originally posted by TheSilkMan:
Comp, I just realized this, it appears that you are doing the flatlands which lead up to the patties on the left side of the picture you posted on 3/18 rather than the actual rice paddy section which would be the far right side of the picture about half way down the vertical axis. It is yellowish part of the photo you want with signs of irrigation, snake like patterns. In the photo it looks like the teeth of a comb with traces of water surrounding it.

About this, mmmmmh, i dont understand it really well (i mean my english is not pretty good) but i just can say that the vietnam terrain is pretty irregular, at least i the place where i tiled this, will try to fix the yellow part to make it greener and also i will try to add more irrigation signs.

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
btw, the trails in the rice paddies tile should vary in their size and color, i mean the width of trails. so the tile wont looks like a puzzle.
note: poor vnam(or most SEA) farmers wont waste their land on roads.
image or pattern of small-scale irrigation system/facilites/dam could be added.

Thats no problem, just would like to say that in weekdays i can work much in the tiles (career, work at office at evening, and studies), i do all i can.
ComGP

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-03-20 00:36:00

you are right. that tile magic is really cool--and easy-to-do.

i've considered this trick when somebody pointed me that Falkland terrain should be more brownish. ya, im damn love that pink hue hidden in the terrain!
so.. the hardest part of tile-making are patterns..hope aerial photos do some help.

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TheSilkMan · Post by **TheSilkMan** » 2001-03-20 16:24:00

Ok comp, just sent you a picture of the rice paddy section.

TheSilkMan · Post by **TheSilkMan** » 2001-03-23 05:02:00

Here is another vietnam map. You may use this as a template to draw the borders on your current map.

http://www.rjsmith.com/vietmap.html

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-23 21:45:00

Well, havent work much this week in the tiles, mmmmmmh, added some town tiles and some different rice paddies, i also have turned down the green about a 10% but i cant see much difference, i send a shoot of how ive fried up a vietcong village in the rice paddies,

quote:Originally posted by TheSilkMan:
Ok comp, just sent you a picture of the rice paddy section.

where did you send me that picture, ive checked all of my email accounts and i dont find it, and the map you have sent me is great, ill do something with it tonight.

Well, here is the shoot, tell me all that you are not agree with.

ComGP

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PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2001-03-23 22:03:00

Village part is ok, might need some fine tuning but I dont have any reference aerial photographs of the war age villages.

Let me know when the ricepaddy tiles would be ready for first run at my system. They look really nice, cant wait to test them out.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

T Bone · Post by **T Bone** » 2001-03-23 22:13:00

Ok; now how about using these tiles for the jungle areas?

http://f4mideast.50megs.com/paradiselost.jpg

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T Bone · Post by **T Bone** » 2001-03-23 22:16:00

Stupid 50megs... anyone know some site that will let me link?

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-23 22:19:00

you could make your self a photoalbum at webshots, thats what im using, hey, Tbone, ive sent you the zip to you yahoo.com email addreess.

ComGP

T Bone · Post by **T Bone** » 2001-03-23 22:20:00

Tell me if link works

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-23 22:26:00

No, this is what is shows:

Forbidden
Host: [195.53.66.71] infv547.nacom.es

You do not have permission to access http://f4mideast.50megs.com/paradiselost.jpg
Data files must be stored on the same site they are linked from.

Thank you for using 50megs

ComGP

T Bone · Post by **T Bone** » 2001-03-23 22:26:00

Ok; try again now; it works here...

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-23 22:29:00

Still dont work, at least to me, could you send me the jpg at med006129@nacom.es so i could see it?

ComGP

T Bone · Post by **T Bone** » 2001-03-23 22:32:00

Try one more time please...

T Bone · Post by **T Bone** » 2001-03-23 22:33:00

BTW please upload the tiles onto some webserver as my email is fulled to the brim... sorry.

T Bone · Post by **T Bone** » 2001-03-23 22:38:00

If link works tell me; otherwise if you have ICQ I can send it to you from there

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-23 22:39:00

still doesnt work, i hardly recomend to open a photoalbun, i used to put my shoots at geocities and someday they decided to close it, i will upload now the zip and ill post you where is it
Sorry, i read the first mail before you sent the second, my ICQ# is 105138423

ComGP

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Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-25 20:14:00

Well, have to make a question, what should i do with the HTREEBA tiles, as i said they were a temporal solution, i would like to now if somebody nows how do like the top of vnam's mountains, if so, tell me, ive been searching for photos but all i find is jungle.
Ive been working a little in the forrest tiles, added little lakes, a great idea silkman, and also some places without trees.
SnakeMan, i almost have finished one set of ricepaddies tiles, still have to do the texture.bin, im having lots of problems with it, now ive started to make more ricepaddies but this time more square ones and with more water, well, post two screenies, the view from really low altitude, well a soldier's view, and a normal flight one.

ComGP

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TheSilkMan · Post by **TheSilkMan** » 2001-03-25 23:42:00

Prior to proceeding with anymore tiling, is it possible to get away from the "golf course" green in the rice paddy section?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-03-26 03:05:00

ya, too GREEEEN.

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-26 20:00:00

Dont have time, send two pics, less green

ComGP

brewskie · Post by **brewskie** » 2001-03-26 23:10:00

this looks much better comgp.

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-28 18:21:00

After thinking about it i have decided to take out the roads or however you want to call it, i mean, the bronw things between the rice paddies, i think i looks less repeating and more realistic, let me know what do you think.

ComGP

T Bone · Post by **T Bone** » 2001-03-28 20:31:00

IMHO I like the yellow ones better as they look more realsitic.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-03-29 08:27:00

na...better add roads, the problem is, roads should vary in colors, size, and pattern.
default Korea tiles are good example.

btw, i wonder the size of each rice paddy, they should vary in size too. i think Vnam farmers dont got too much land of his own, so, it probably be cut into much smaller pieces in the tile-- 1 x 1 km. hmm..the rice paddies at plain area could be more bigger in size and straight in alignment, while others could be smaller and varigated.

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Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-29 19:33:00

Well, dont worry about the roads, thats not problem, that rice paddies are for the valleys of vnam's jungle, ive done a template of the plain vietnam rice paddies, after watching Apocalipsys Now (which was filmed in the philipines, i suppose thats pretty close to vnam) and seing the air views of the UH-1 Huey going to the attack of the vietcong town, i did this rice paddies

The fun thing is flying low over them, thats velocity sensation, they are little enough, dont worry ccc, they are about 300 meter long, i dont think that a smaller one is good for the rice production, tell me if they like you and then ill start to work on them.

ComGP

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brewskie · Post by **brewskie** » 2001-03-30 00:09:00

quote:Originally posted by Com_gp:
Apocalipsys Now

Movies like that are hollywoods warped twisted view of the war. When i was at Bragg, the nam veterans told us not to watch such movies.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-03-30 10:18:00

ComGP, i know you try your best to making those tiles, just dont hurry.
it will take a while to mature those tiles.
Just dont hurry to throw them into tiling.

TheSilkMan · Post by **TheSilkMan** » 2001-03-30 17:21:00

Comp, I sent them to com_gp@yahoo.com I will retry.

TheSilkMan · Post by **TheSilkMan** » 2001-03-30 17:44:00

Comp the color tone is nice. Again, the area depicted by your screenshots are the flatlands that lead up to the Rice paddies. You need to review the picture I sent outlining the paddy area. CCC I have copied you and Snake on it. I'll try and attach it here:

[Snake Man note: please dont post large images like .bmp

heh]

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Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-03-31 07:11:00

Ok, heres silkman's explanation of rice paddies,

well, ive been trying to make it and its hard, still dont know how i should do the rice paddies, are that white thing the ricepaddies???????, the transition from flatlands to the white thing is the hardest thing, ive been doing some tiles, well, i post some of the ricepaddies tiles that ive done up to now.

Im a little confused, the most of the rice paddies that ive seen in vnam look like this one

So what should i do, the rice paddies are so variated in vnam that it looks impossible to find one for all.

ComGP

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-04-02 09:55:00

ComGP,
that shot looks good. did you try to make a tile straight from that shot? i mean stretch the pic to compensate the angle of photo(the upper part need more stretch), so you got a nearly staright look-down view, then convert it form tile?

Aeyes · Post by **Aeyes** » 2001-04-02 12:07:00

As far as i know with rice and ricepaddies, they are planted in water so some will look like undeep pools in different shapes but with a certain rythm. When the rice grows it gets greener and greener and depending on the season you get more green paddies than watery ones. The ones with water only need to reflect whats above it like a mirror, so that would be air and clouds, the ones that become greener when the rice is planted and grows look pretty close to the tiles as posted above.
Well, you guys know all this already ofcourse, but i thought i just drop in my 2 c

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-04-02 18:12:00

Well,..., what ive done is this, trying to imitate the water, its simple but it doesnt look too repeating and it looks like the pic in the other reply.

I also have a version with green instead of "water" but its very simple.
Aeyes dont worry about telling me how the ricepaddies should be done, its very hard to make them (probably the hardest tiles that ive done up to now) because theres too much variety.

ComGP

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2001-04-02 18:28:00

That water reflection tile doesnt look good to me, I like more the previous green ones. If we would use the water ricepaddy types, we would have to tile them to perfectly level terrain.

I'd go for the previous green look.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-04-02 18:38:00

no problem, this was just an experiment, i will come back to work in the greener version.

ComGP

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-04-03 02:16:00

na, i suggest mix both type of rice paddies, plus inserting some villages/farm with different plans, etc.

surely water-reflection paddies should be use at plain area, brown-green ones used near mountains.

TheSilkMan · Post by **TheSilkMan** » 2001-04-03 19:24:00

Comp actually both types of layouts were used the type in the photo planted by richer farmers, the type I outline in the photo would be done by poorer farmers. You can see a description at this site:

http://www.pbs.org/hitchhikingvietnam/life/rice.html

Donuts · Post by **Donuts** » 2001-04-09 08:33:00

One thing to consider is that the ground textures are illuminated according to the parameters in the tod.lst, which means that at sunrise/sunset any light-coloured tiles imitating water reflecting the sky could change colour quite dramatically. With a little care this could produce some pretty spectacular effects...

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-04-19 18:34:00

Well, i know it has been a long time since the last post, i have been busy with nevada, but i havent abandoned this project, a couple of days ago a friend gave me his old vodoo, which i installed in an old computer, ive done some shoots of vnam at 1024x768, im gonna continue working on them, right now im doing the transitions from green farland to more water rice paddies, and donut, please explain which colours of the pallete change colour with the skyfix.

well, a couple of shoots here,

theres another two shoots at http://community.webshots.com/user/comgp

ComGP