No flights created
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No flights created
Just one single question that comes to my mind while playing ODS:
WHY ARE THERE NO Flights for the A-10 and AV-8B created? So many ground targets waiting to nbe attacked, but they only create flight against airbases, and industrial targets and against SAMs, but no one has shown any interest against all these tanks. I set all the PAK sliders to the right for Anti Tank missions, but no missions were created, I'm in Day 5 of the campaign, will i have to play the original lenght of ODS to get those missions created, thats means 6 weeks bombing against stationary targets, then against moving targets? Not realy, or??
WHY ARE THERE NO Flights for the A-10 and AV-8B created? So many ground targets waiting to nbe attacked, but they only create flight against airbases, and industrial targets and against SAMs, but no one has shown any interest against all these tanks. I set all the PAK sliders to the right for Anti Tank missions, but no missions were created, I'm in Day 5 of the campaign, will i have to play the original lenght of ODS to get those missions created, thats means 6 weeks bombing against stationary targets, then against moving targets? Not realy, or??
Re: No flights created
hmm...yes that sounds frustrating. i got the same problem since early beta.
A10 wont schedule flights, but other a/c Sq do pretty well, especially F14/15 flights.
i dunno if it related to day/nite missions.
IIRC, some specific parameter is used for nite-mssion a/c, like F117, missions are exclusively generated in night hours.
targets shouldn't be the problem.
i noted Sq speciality is set to General, not AG. tweak this parameter, i start another new campaign. only one Sq schedules four 4-ship flights. other A10 sq still no flights.
or its probably due to A10 mission speciality, they are set to be on CAS/interdiction first, but there're no such requirement at early days of ODS? check the map, you'll note no allied ground force engaging enemies, or enemies fast moving to Saudi?
then? no idea too. A10 should be pretty active..in daytime!
For the time being, my suggestions are:
1. start a new ODS campaign
2. dont change PAK/mission priorities
3. fly F14/F15/F4G... those more "active" sq.
A10 wont schedule flights, but other a/c Sq do pretty well, especially F14/15 flights.
i dunno if it related to day/nite missions.
IIRC, some specific parameter is used for nite-mssion a/c, like F117, missions are exclusively generated in night hours.
targets shouldn't be the problem.
i noted Sq speciality is set to General, not AG. tweak this parameter, i start another new campaign. only one Sq schedules four 4-ship flights. other A10 sq still no flights.
or its probably due to A10 mission speciality, they are set to be on CAS/interdiction first, but there're no such requirement at early days of ODS? check the map, you'll note no allied ground force engaging enemies, or enemies fast moving to Saudi?
then? no idea too. A10 should be pretty active..in daytime!
For the time being, my suggestions are:
1. start a new ODS campaign
2. dont change PAK/mission priorities
3. fly F14/F15/F4G... those more "active" sq.
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Re: No flights created
Falcon campaign engine wont recognize no more ODS and it knows any other historical war. Its all about systematically destroying enemy targets.quote:will i have to play the original lenght of ODS to get those missions created
The real reason for A10's not scheduling lot of flights (but they do schedule, at least on my installation) is because of the distance to the FLOT.quote:i dunno if it related to day/nite missions. i noted Sq speciality is set to General, not AG.
For example in Europe campaign where A-10 squadron is located like hop away from the FLOT they see some real action.
This is very important. If you change the PAK areas or missions requested, it will slow down the campaign. This is evident even on the default korean campaign.quote:2. dont change PAK/mission priorities
So best results, don't touch the PAK's.
btw I have just wrote small part to the ODS manual about this. Right now the released manual actually instructs player to adjust the PAK's and even the images are from 64 ODS. Oops. gotta fix that.
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Re: No flights created
These are the ODS F-16 deployments:
F-16CG
614th squadron, DOHA INTL
666th squadron, SHAIKH ISA (no squadron name)
612th squadron, INCIRLIK AB
F-16A Block15
138th squadron, Prince Sultan Airbase
157th squadron, Prince Sultan Airbase
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F-16CG
614th squadron, DOHA INTL
666th squadron, SHAIKH ISA (no squadron name)
612th squadron, INCIRLIK AB
F-16A Block15
138th squadron, Prince Sultan Airbase
157th squadron, Prince Sultan Airbase
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Re: No flights created
hmm.. only AWACS comes up!! ;-(
after uninstall, the "DesStorm" folder in the "campaig" was not deleted. mby something wrong. del it manualy and made a new install. same prob: AWACS!
DF and 2005 will work.
XPhome here.. i cant find the "view/display hidden files option" ...
after uninstall, the "DesStorm" folder in the "campaig" was not deleted. mby something wrong. del it manualy and made a new install. same prob: AWACS!
DF and 2005 will work.
XPhome here.. i cant find the "view/display hidden files option" ...
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Re: No flights created
the F16a F16 don't show up in ODS casmpaignquote:Originally posted by Snake Man:
These are the ODS F-16 deployments:
F-16CG
614th squadron, DOHA INTL
666th squadron, SHAIKH ISA (no squadron name)
612th squadron, INCIRLIK AB
F-16A Block15
138th squadron, Prince Sultan Airbase
157th squadron, Prince Sultan Airbase
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tried them in Iceland got the same reult.. proabaly because they are not ready in the database??
612 squad at Incirlik doesn't schedule fligts
in the first 3 hours.. and after that I haven't tested yet
is this planned? or a bug?
same holds true for 614Squad in INCIRLIK AB
666th squadron, SHAIKH ISA (no squadron name)
this one is working fine
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Re: No flights created
[quote]quote:Originally posted by Mapi:
hmm.. only AWACS comes up!! ;-( [/b]
hmm.. only AWACS comes up!! ;-( [/b]
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Re: No flights created
I guess he is refering to Dogfight Terrain with DF
also available on the download page of this site
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also available on the download page of this site
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Re: No flights created
Okey! (why did`nt I think on that one! )
But, now I have just finished up my first F-16 flight i ODS! FUNNY! Sorry, cant stay longer, duty calling (Have to get back to my F-16 and help Kuwait )
*It was, and still are funny*
But, now I have just finished up my first F-16 flight i ODS! FUNNY! Sorry, cant stay longer, duty calling (Have to get back to my F-16 and help Kuwait )
*It was, and still are funny*
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Re: No flights created
thx Guard!! i will test it.
yes Widowmaker, DF = Dogfight and i mean the DF-Theater.
yes Widowmaker, DF = Dogfight and i mean the DF-Theater.
Re: No flights created
Rgr that Mapi. But I could`nt done it with out Snake Man. (If I did`nt open my eyes of course :p )
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Re: No flights created
nice! it will go go go!
ok. now we need a meetingroom for ppl for flying: #falcon4 over irc.newnet.net
Mapi
ok. now we need a meetingroom for ppl for flying: #falcon4 over irc.newnet.net
Mapi
Re: No flights created
For current ODS campaign, the non-flights bug, i highly recommend you keep default priorities/PAK setting, and pick these a/c to fly:
F14B
F15C/E
F111
Tornado IDS
mig21/23/25
Obviously A10, AV8, and f16 scheduled much less missions... or almost none.
F14B
F15C/E
F111
Tornado IDS
mig21/23/25
Obviously A10, AV8, and f16 scheduled much less missions... or almost none.
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Re: No flights created
We have been lurking long time in the irc.newnet.net server at #falcon4theaters channel.quote:Originally posted by Mapi:
ok. now we need a meetingroom for ppl for flying: #falcon4 over irc.newnet.net
Check it out, cu there.
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Re: No flights created
Any suggestions for more F-16 activity for the Historical 1991 Desert Storm campaign?
Its does not feel right to just add few of those squadrons near the FLOT, for example RAS MISHAB or HAFR AL BATIN airbases.
So help me out decide what to do, if anything must be done...
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Its does not feel right to just add few of those squadrons near the FLOT, for example RAS MISHAB or HAFR AL BATIN airbases.
So help me out decide what to do, if anything must be done...
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Re: No flights created
replace data-incomplete f16A to F16C, see if activity increase.
Re: No flights created
Could it be a problem with not enough targets to go around? I mean, do we know how the camp engine assigns targets? Maybe just putting more ground targets gets more BAI generated, likewise more SAMs get more SEAD, etc.
I'm completely speculating here, though.
Also, maybe reducing the number of planes in each squadron might make for more sorties for the remaining planes. Maybe?
I'm completely speculating here, though.
Also, maybe reducing the number of planes in each squadron might make for more sorties for the remaining planes. Maybe?
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possible, or the priority of target?
for example, i note campaign AI keeps sending Su24s to strike our carrier... su24 mission type cover CAS/interdiction, etc. but it seems they favor carrier target?
for example, i note campaign AI keeps sending Su24s to strike our carrier... su24 mission type cover CAS/interdiction, etc. but it seems they favor carrier target?
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Good point. If there are no "A" targets, or even maybe that some targets aren't getting prioritized at all (? is this possible?), then that could be a problem.
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Re: No flights created
Recce just posted something at FW that is interesting. By changing the max range from +/- 400 to 1000 in F4Browse, alot of missions are generated. No indication of what impact this has on AI.
Perhaps changing the fuel flow will help the AI, at the expense of realism.
Perhaps changing the fuel flow will help the AI, at the expense of realism.
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Re: No flights created
So most a/c are short of fuel to reach their target?
this bug is probably related to "AI unable to do multiple air-refuleing in 3d world"...or you'll find tens a/c lining up behind tankers! just another headache problem for 128 theater..
A possible solution is increasing drop tank capacity--> remain the same weight/drag, increase fuel capacity to 150% or 200%..
this bug is probably related to "AI unable to do multiple air-refuleing in 3d world"...or you'll find tens a/c lining up behind tankers! just another headache problem for 128 theater..
A possible solution is increasing drop tank capacity--> remain the same weight/drag, increase fuel capacity to 150% or 200%..
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