Taiwan army/ROC OOB from Wiki

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Army

the info can be used to place units on theater mod.

Aviation and Special Forces Command (航空特戰司令部)
3 Air Cavalry/Airborne brigades
1 Special Warfare brigade

6th Army Corps (第六軍團司令部): Northern Taiwan
7 Infantry brigades
1 Motorized Infantry brigade
1 Armoured Infantry brigade
2 Armour brigades


8th Army Corps (第八軍團司令部): Southern Taiwan
5 Infantry brigades
1 Motorized Infantry brigade
1 Armoured Infantry brigade
1 Armour brigade


10th Army Corps (第十軍團司令部): Central Taiwan
6 Infantry brigades
1 Motorized Infantry brigade
1 Armoured Infantry brigade
1 Armour brigade


Hua-Tung Defense Command (花東防衛司令部): Eastern Taiwan
2 Infantry brigades


Kinmen Defense Command (金門防衛司令部)
3 Infantry brigades
1 Armour brigade


Penghu Defense Command (澎湖防衛司令部)
2 Infantry brigades
1 Armour brigade

Matsu Defense Command (馬祖防衛司令部)
2 Infantry brigades

Tungyin Defense Command (東引防衛司令部)
1 Infantry brigade

Armed Force Reserve Command (後備軍人司令部)
24 Reserve brigades (Not active in peace time)

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Though the ground OOB has been re-structured in 2008, i think the info in this post more fit the theater mod use.. it includes troop designation.

part of the post..

6th Army - Northern Taiwan

106, 116, 118, 152, 153, 176, 178 Infantry Brigades
269 Motorized Infantry Brigade
351 Armored Infantry Brigade
542, 543 Armor Brigades

and check this pic..


should have better idea about OOB..

i'll post rough coordinates for placement later.

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following seems to be the latest info..
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This update reflects the ROCA ORBAT at the conclusion of the Jinjing Restructuring Plan in 2008.

A new type of units called defense team (守備隊) is being introduced. These are formed using remaining elements of de-established brigades under each area defense commands. The strength of a defense team may vary from one or more reinforced battalions, making it roughly equal to a regiment. The team CO is usually a full colonel.

6th Army - 3rd Operations District, Northern Taiwan

Guandu (關渡) Area Command
Lanyang (蘭陽) Area Command
269 Mechanized Infantry Brigade
542, 584 Armor Brigades
21 Artillery Command
53 Engineer Group
73 Signals Group
33 Chemical Warfare Group

8th Army - 4th Operations District, Southern Taiwan

298 Mechanized Infantry Brigade
564 Armor Brigade
43 Artillery Command
54 Engineer Group
39 Chemical Warfare Group

10th Army - 5th Operations District, Central Taiwan

200 Mechanized Infantry Brigade
586 Armor Brigade
58 Artillery Command
52 Engineer Group
74 Signals Group
36 Chemical Warfare Group

Hua-Tung Defense Command - 2nd Operations District, Eastern Taiwan

Hualien (花蓮) Defense Team
Taitung (台東) Area Command

Penghu Defense Command - 1st Operations District

Golden (高登) Defense Team

Kinmen Defense Command

Jindong (金東, Kinmen East) Defense Team
Jinshih (金西, Kinmen West) Defense Team
Shihyu (獅嶼) Defense Team
Artillery Group

Matzu Defense Command

Beigao (北高) Defense Team
Juguang (莒光) Defense Team

Tungyin

Tungyin (東引) Area Command

Aviation and Special Warfare Command

601 (northern), 602 (central) Aviation Brigades
862 Special Operations Brigade
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[derStef]

thanks, good info!
i'll keep this in mind, if i add new groundunits to my mod.

cheers
Stef

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oops! i mistakenl edited my prevous post - here i restored the info

6th Army - Northern Taiwan

106, 116, 118, 152, 153, 176, 178 Infantry Brigades
269 Motorized Infantry Brigade
351 Armored Infantry Brigade
542, 543 Armor Brigades
21 Artillery Command
53 Engineer Group
73 Signals Group
33 Chemical Warfare Group

8th Army - Southern Taiwan

103, 108, 117, 136, 137 Infantry Brigades
298 Motorized Infantry Brigade
395 Armored Infantry Brigade
564 Armor Brigade
43 Artillery Command
54 Engineer Group
39 Chemical Warfare Group

10th Army - Central Taiwan

102, 104, 107, 157, 169, 192 Infantry Brigades
200 Motorized Infantry Brigade
373 Armored Infantry Brigade
586 Armor Brigade
58 Artillery Command
52 Engineer Group
74 Signals Group
36 Chemical Warfare Group

Hua-Tung Defense Command - Eastern Taiwan

128, 129 Infantry Brigades

Penghu Defense Command

163, 168 Infantry Brigades
503 Armor Brigade
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (1 company)

Kinmen Defense Command

119, 127, 158 Infantry Brigades
584 Armor Brigade
Artillery Command
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (2 companies)

Matzu Defense Command

193, 194 Infantry Brigades
Artillery Command
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (1 company)

Aviation and Special Warfare Command

601 (norther), 602 (central), 603 (southern) Air Cavalry Brigades
862 Special Warfare Brigade

Tungyin

195 Infantry Brigade
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (1 company)

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This partially-updated list reflects the ROCA ORBAT after further restructuring in 2004-2005 timeframe:

6th Army - 3rd Operations District, Northern Taiwan

16, 26, 49, 51 Divisions
176, 178 Infantry Brigades
269 Mechanized Infantry Brigade
542 Armor Brigade
21 Artillery Command
53 Engineer Group
73 Signals Group
33 Chemical Warfare Group

8th Army - 4th Operations District, Southern Taiwan

33, 46 Divisions
298 Mechanized Infantry Brigade
564 Armor Brigade
43 Artillery Command
54 Engineer Group
39 Chemical Warfare Group

10th Army - 5th Operations District, Central Taiwan

19, 34 Divisions
200 Mechanized Infantry Brigade
586 Armor Brigade
58 Artillery Command
52 Engineer Group
74 Signals Group
36 Chemical Warfare Group

Hua-Tung Defense Command - 2nd Operations District, Eastern Taiwan

128, 129 Infantry Brigades

Penghu Defense Command - 1st Operations District

168 Infantry Brigade
503 Armor Brigade

Kinmen Defense Command

119, 127, 158 Infantry Brigades
584 Armor Brigade
Artillery Command

Matzu Defense Command

193, 194 Infantry Brigades
Artillery Command

Aviation and Special Warfare Command

601 (norther), 602 (central), 603 (Training Command in wartime) Air Cavalry Brigades
862 Special Operations Brigade

Tungyin

195 Infantry Brigade

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i start from the follwoing - coordinates at the end of unit. these units do not belong to any div. let me know if it help the TCL or manual tweak.

the unit mission should be set to defend, or secure.

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Penghu Defense Command

163, 168 Infantry Brigades M16 infantry 473, 354 469, 348
503 Armor Brigade M48 tank 471, 354
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (1 company) 467 354, special assult unit

Kinmen Defense Command

119, 127, 158 Infantry Brigades , all m16 infantry, from 119 - 354,451 127- 342 450, 158- 333 448
584 Armor Brigade - m41, or use m48 349 452
Artillery Command - HQ unit ditto
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (2 companies) -special unit.. 353 449

Matzu Defense Command

193, 194 Infantry Brigades - M16 infantry 512,648 505, 640
Artillery Command towed artillergy battalion, 506 640
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (1 company) - special assult unit 511 648

Aviation and Special Warfare Command

601 (norther) airmobile, infantry m16 636 497
, 602 (central), ditto 590 430
603 (southern) Air Cavalry Brigades 540 288
862 Special Warfare Brigade , special assult unit - 640 429

Tungyin

195 Infantry Brigade M16 521 665
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (1 company)- special assult unit 521 665

[derStef]

thanks ccc.
ok, i should add these ones as not parent and as no brigade. have i also leave 0 for division? i think so.

i start from the follwoing - coordinates at the end of unit. these units do not belong to any div. let me know if it help the TCL or manual tweak.
the unit mission should be set to defend, or secure.

the coordinates:

163, 168 Infantry Brigades M16 infantry 473, 354 469, 348
503 Armor Brigade M48 tank 471, 354
101 Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion (1 company) 467 354, special assult unit

for e.g. Mi16 infantry 473(X coordinate), 354(Y coordinate), 469 (X), 348(X)..... is that right?

THEN: GROUND UNITS THAT I SHOULD USE IN MY MOD: PLEASE HELP!
you know that i just can add battalions, so different vehicles/units are packed together. thats sometimes problematic, e.g. for Taiwan it would be nice to have HUMVEE/Avengers as Airdefense in a battalion with M163Vulcans. or also problematic that there is an SA-16 in an SA-2battalion, i mean for older scenarios somekind of unrealistic....
i hope you understood the prob, if not rightclick on a battalion and you see that there are different units in it. so i/we can only add a "whole" battalion. we can't set 3M-16gunners and 3M1A1 tanks with 2 MRLS.....


Here what is sure and where i need advice:
- Patriot ADS OK
- Hawk ADS OK
- Skyguard or Patriot ADS INSTEAD OF Sky Bow I??? -
- M163 Vulcan (there are 9M163 Vulcans & 12 M54Chapparals in a battalion -> the right choice, because ROC has Chapparals)
- ANYTHING ELSE FOR BLUE AirDefense? K-30 BIHO would be nice, but there are also 6Pegasus in a battalion. what do you think?
- WHAT MECH UNITS? K-200? AAV7-A1?
- TANK battalions: M48A5, M60A3.
- HQ: k-200 or M2A2 BCV?
- SP GUNS: M109battailion is OK.
- SS MISSILE: ?
- TOWNED ARTY: 155 Gun is OK.
- INFANTRY: Recon Squad & M-16

ok i hope you know now what i need the advice for!!!


cheers
Stef

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- for units on Taiwan, i suggest use..
Divsion 6(north), 8(south), 10(central taiwan), then Bridge #..

- for offshore island units, yes you can use Div 0 or other number, maybe Div 1. remember, each Div can have many Brigades, and each brigade can have 3-5 battalions.

the coordinates:
Quote:
163, 168 Infantry Brigades M16 infantry 473, 354 469, 348

for e.g. Mi16 infantry 473(X coordinate), 354(Y coordinate), 469 (X), 348(X)..... is that right?

> in this case, Peng hu defend command,

Div 1, Brigade 163, (473, 354 ).
Div 1, Brigade 168, (469, 348).
each brigade can have one HQ, three M-16 infantry battalions..and sometimes has one towed artillery battalion > thats FIVE battalions maximal!!

you may place the individual battalions around brigade coordinate as you wish.

- for blue ground unit type, just use those of ROK and US type. don't bother fine-tuning them ATM.

- for SAM, i think your setting is ok. according to wiki, now there're..
Patriot 2 GEM, 3 sites.
Skybow I + II, mixed battalion, 6 sites.
improved Hawk - 20 sites!!

- BTW i think you are going too deep into DB edits..

Skyguard or Patriot ADS INSTEAD OF Sky Bow I -

huh? Sky Bow I is a SAM , range 100km. you may use patriot for it.
Skyguard system is a Gun-missile ADS, gun is 35mm twin oreiken , missile is quaplex AIM-7. the units are exclusively for airbase AD. i don't know if the DB has a working unit.

- M163 Vulcan (there are 9M163 Vulcans & 12 M54Chapparals in a battalion -> the right choice, because ROC has Chapparals)

taiwan has no M163 vulcan. let me tell you why - because the vulcan gun need A LOT of ammo - and not that effective! The generals prefer spent the money on M-16 ammo.

- ANYTHING ELSE FOR BLUE AirDefense? K-30 BIHO would be nice, but there are also 6Pegasus in a battalion. what do you think?

it's ok to have them. or leave them alone.

- WHAT MECH UNITS? K-200? AAV7-A1?

mechanized units use M113. marine uses AAV7.

- HQ: k-200 or M2A2 BCV? M113 or K200.

- SS MISSILE: ? MRLS is ok.

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hey ccc. about AMX/F-18A: Would the hornet be the BETTER CHOICE for representig the IDF OR should i leave the AMX?????? WHAT would be better or is it unimportant?

OK, i leave the Airdefense as it is in my latest downloadable save2.cam.
i mean i added there also some Pegasus ADS around.... i leave them ...
now i beginn to add blue army units. again for the "individual/not parent" i have to set brig0 and div0. is that right? i think everything esle is clear for me now. only what to set on these.....

thanks for the help and advices!

cheers
Stef

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for IDF - it's ok to use both. don't bother with it ATM.

for independent brigades - yes Div can be 0 or other number. for Brigade#, check my previous post.. you can use those Real life numbers.
as for the following battalions, i suggest use 1.2.3.4...and so on.

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for IDF - it's ok to use both. don't bother with it ATM.

for independent brigades - yes Div can be 0 or other number. for Brigade#, check my previous post.. you can use those Real life numbers.
as for the following battalions, i suggest use 1.2.3.4...and so on.

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more info from newspaper resource..

airdefense unit..

951 brigade -north taiwan
952 - central
953 - south
954 - east taiwan
and inpependent unit at peng hu, ma tsu. toyin islands.

951 brigade has 6 battalions including sky bow I/II, patriot, hawk, 35mm skyguard, 40mm bofor, and skysword mobile launchers. a skybow i/ii is located at San-chih.

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PLA army - the force in current theater mod is Nanjing operation zone, including..Group army 1, 12, 31.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ing-mr.htm


31st group army..
The 31st Group Army, headquartered at Xiamen, is comprised of two divisions, the 86th Infantry Division and the 91st Motorized Infantry Division. The group army is also comprised of five independent brigades including an armored brigade, an air defense brigade, a surface-to-air missile regiment, an artillery regiment, and an engineer regiment.


Units
86 Infantry Division [Unit 73121]
258 Regiment
91 Motorized Infantry Division [Unit 73131]

U/I Armored BDE [Unit 73156]
U/I Air Defense BDE [Unit 73151]
U/I SAM REGT [Unit 73152]
U/I Artillery BDE
U/I Engineer REGT [Unit 32110]


93 Infantry Division
Unit ID
73111 [2002]
Location
Xiamen
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12th group army

The 12th Group Army, headquartered in Xuzhou, is comprised of three divisions, two motorized infantry brigades, a AAA brigade, an artillery brigade, an anti-chemical regiment, an engineer regiment, and a pontoon regiment

Units
U/I Armored Division (prob 2 AD) [Unit 73081]
36th Division [Unit 83235]
U/I Division

179 Motorized Infantry BDE (Linfen BDE) [Unit 73096]
34 Motorized Infantry BDE [Unit 73091]
U/I AAA BDE [Unit 73106]
U/I Artillery BDE [Unit 83230]
U/I Anti-Chemical REGT
U/I Engineer REGT
U/I Pontoon REGT
Unit ID
73061 [2002]
Location
Xuzhou
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1st group army

The 1st Group Army, headquartered in Huzhou, is comprised of three divisions, a motorized infantry brigade, an engineer regiment and an air defense brigade. The unit is believed to be a Category A unit.

Units
1 Amph. Mechanized Infantry Division [Unit 73021]
U/I Armored Division
U/I Artillery Division

U/I Motorized Infantry BDE [Unit 73051]
U/I Engineer REGT
U/I Air Defense BDE [Unit 73056]
Unit ID
73011 [2002]
Location
Huzhou

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note : when adding units to campaign, it's not necessary to add all PLA ground units. the unit number is used for those already on taiwan.
among the three group armies, 31st is main invasion force.