OOB Europe

[SACEUR]

Here are two important links which offer data on the european theater:SCRAMBLE
and
KAUNAS Lithuania AT worldaerodata.com

It's current situation data- so for historic info one has to know where the elder units were stationed.

[araquael]

http://www.harpoonhq.com/Europe88/

This one looks pretty good too.

Gavin

[Red Dog]

I used Scramble pretty much to work on the airbase list spreadsheet for the Europe stations.dat file.

BTW, Snake Man, The spreadsheet is almost done, I'll get back to you soon

Have a Bandit day
Red Dog

[codec]

Red Dog,

I'm looking to provide some support in tacedit for more automated squadron generation. I'm thinking a simple CSV format that will come out of excel maybe.

Something like
Airfield-Id (or maybe X,Y), squad number, and some other bits.

Got any ideas on this?


Julian.

[ccc]

and link exel file to Squadron patch number!

BTW any chance to increase patch slots?

[codec]

yeah - thats the plan.

No - slots fixed in exe... it also has a mapping table saying SquadId X-> UI-ID Y

Would have been a simple fix in the Sp2 days

Julian.

[Washout]

Hi Julian

Any chance of a csv export/import for the Units as well as the objectives?

Or am I missing something as usual?

Later

Chris

[ccc]

quote:Would have been a simple fix in the Sp2 days

Julian.[/B]

thats really bad...now hope OIR coder can fix this.

[codec]

quote:Originally posted by Washout:
Any chance of a csv export/import for the Units as well as the objectives?

Or am I missing something as usual?

Yeah - fraid so. The format for units is variable, thats the problem - as well as horribly complicated to. The brigade, batallion, taskforce, squadron, flight, and package structures are all very different (although they share some common bits). Also, some of the records, like flights change depending on flag status. Another nasty is things like waypoints, which are part of the structure. You can have many waypoints or none, some types have several lists of waypoints etc.

Anyway - all in all its not really practical for CSV as I see it. If someone wants to try, I can give details of the UNI format that is currently exported though.

So instead, I'm looking at generation formats. As many of the parameters can be assumed when creating new units, it is easier. We can assume a squadron is not moving, so has no waypoints, assume it is fully fueled, has the standard SSD list of weapons, has not been spotted yet etc etc. Therefore, for making a new squadron, probably 90% of the state we can either generate or set to some default value.

Anyway - thats the target.

The next tacedit already has an objective generation format, which looks like a much truncated current CSV format. It looks like this

code:

Code: Select all

  
2.0 Objective Generate Wed May 29 08:18:16 2002
Name, Id, Object, X, Y, Z, Owner, CampId, Parent, Priority, FOwner
Peterhead, 28, 1623, 284, 1013, 0, 2, 28, 0, 50, 2
LEEDS AND BRADFORD, 1319, 1779, 272, 608, 0, 2, 1319, 0, 40, 2
NOTTINGHAM, 1342, 1779, 305, 503, 0, 2, 1342, 0, 40, 2

Julian.

[Washout]

I gotcha - actually I was expecting something like "that's been in there for over six months already - are you blind?"

Would wizards (not the Gandalf/Tim the Enchanter sort) be a good idea for generating units?

Later


Chris

[Snake Man]

Here is the output from my TCL script to create campaign. Feel free to comment, this is just my own idea, no real data has been read.

Here we go:

Adding SAM units to SAM sites!
Adding SAM units to Headquarters!
Adding AAA units to Airbases!
Adding AAA units to Army Bases!
Adding AAA units to Radar Stations!
Running American airforces...
COTTESMORE: 2x awacs e-3, 2x recon rc-135, 2x jstars e-8.
LAKENHEATH: 4x tanker kc-135, 3x bomber b-52h.
COTTESMORE: 2x awacs e-3, 4x tanker kc-10, 4x kc-130r, 4x kc-135, 2x recon tr-1.
FAIRFORD: 2x bomber b-1b, 2x bomber b-2a.
LANDIVISIAU: 2x airlift c-130h, 2x c-141b, 2x c-17, 2x c-5.
CHARLES DE GAULLE: 3x bomber b-52h.
MERIGNAC: 3x bomber b-52h.
LANN BIHOUE: 3x bomber b-52h, 4x tanker kc-10.
ST AGNANT: 4x attack ac-130u.
GENEVA COINTRIN: 2x attack ac-130u, 2x ecm ef-111a, 2x attack f-111f.
LONGVIC: 4x attack f-111f.
STUTTGART: 2x fighter f-15e-229.
FRANKFURT MAIN: 4x fighter f-15c.
AVIANO AB: 2x fighter f-15c, 2x figther f-16cg, 2x fighter f/a-18c.
BOLOGNA: fighter f-15c, fighter f-16cg.
TEGEL: 3x fighter f-16cg.
PRAGUE RUZYNE: fighter f-16cg.
PRAGUE/KBELY: fighter f-16cg, 2x figther f/a-18c.
WUNSTORF: figther f-16cg, 2x attack f-4g.
EINDHOVEN: fighter f-16cg, 2x attack f-4g, 2x attack tornado ids.
HAHN AB: 4x attack tornado ids.
ZWEIBRUCKEN AB: 4x attack tornado ids.
HOLZDORF: 4x attack a-10.
ZELTWEG AB: fighter f-16cg.
CASLAV CHOTUSICE: fighter f-16cg.
LEIPZIG Army Base: 2x attack ah-1, 2x attack ah-64d, recon oh-58d, air cavalry uh-60l.
HANNOVER Army Base: 2x attack ah-1, 2x attack ah-64d, recon oh-58d, air cavalry uh-60l.
HAMBURG Army Base: 2x attack ah-1, 2x attack ah-64d, recon oh-58d, air cavalry uh-60l.
USS RANGER (cv-67 kennedy), english channel
USS RANGER: 2x f-14b, 2x f/a-18c, a-6e, e-2c, ea6b.
USS ? (cv-67 kennedy), french coast
USS ?: 2x f-14b, 2x f/a-18c, a-6e, e-2c, ea6b.
Running Russian airforces...
STRACHOWICE: fighter mig-21 mf/pfm.
RIGA CENTRAL: 4x awacs a-50, 4x tanker il-78.
ULEMISTE: 2x awacs a-50, 2x tanker il-78, 2x airlift an-2, 2x an-12, 2x il-76m, 2x an-24.
KOVIN: 2x airlift il-76m, 4x tanker il-78.
GRODNO: 4x tu-16, 4x tu-22.
LIEPAJA EAST: 4x tu-16, 4x tu-22.
KURESSARRE: 4x tu-16, 4x tu-22.
SMARDZKO: 2x attack su-25, 2x attack su-24m, 2x attack su-17.
TOKOL: 3x attack su-25, 2x fighter mig-25.
ZALAEGERSZEG: 2x fighter mig-19sf.
LJUBLJANA: fighter mig-23ml, fighter mig-21 mf/pfm.
STRACHOWICE: 2x fighter su-27, 2x fighter mig-29a.
BABIMOST: 2x fighter su-27, 2x fighter mig-29a.
KRZESINY: 2x fighter su-27, 2x attack su-25, 2x mig-25.
STRACHOWICE: 2x fighter su-27, 2x fighter mig-29a, 4x bomber tu-16.
RIJEKA: fighter mig-29a, fighter mig-25.
VARAZDIN: fighter mig-29a, 2x attack su-25, 2x attack su-24m, 2x attack su-17.
ground forces...
Gotta change US division, brig: 13, bat: 49
Gotta change Afghan division, brig: 12, bat: 45
thank you, have a nice day.

**Finished**

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[ccc]

excuse me, timeframe?

[kinggeorge]

One of the english bases has the strike eagles... lakenheath? WEll I remember talking to a 15E pilot at the ila... hmm

[Snake Man]

That squadron list is for "present day" or basically current SP3 weaponry list.

I'd like to get tips for Cold War 1985 scenario also.

Please guys, feed me some info. When I get details it takes no time to create campaign from that.

First we should decide how to assign teams to the european countries, its difficult task as we only have 6 or maybe 7 teams to use.

Anyways here is the airbase list so you can point out what squadrons should go to which airbase.

Europe Theater Airbase list :
Russian: TAMPERE PIRKKALA
Russian: UTTI
Allied: LINZ
Allied: ZELTWEG AB
Allied: GRAZ
Allied: KLAGENFURT
Allied: ZOERSEL
Allied: OOSTENDE
Allied: DEURNE
Allied: KLEINE BROGEL
Allied: KOKSIJDE
Allied: BRUSSELS NATIONAL
Allied: BEAUVECHAIN
Allied: BIERSET
Allied: CHIEVRES AB
Allied: GOSSELIES
Allied: FLORENNES
Allied: PRAGUE/KBELY
Allied: PRAGUE RUZYNE
Allied: CASLAV CHOTUSICE
Allied: BRNO
Allied: NAMEST NAD OSLAVOU
Russian: TRENCIN
Russian: SLIAC
Allied: PIESTANY
Allied: MALACKY
Allied: BRATISLAVA
Allied: AALBORG
Allied: KARUP
Allied: VAERLOSE
Allied: VANDEL
Allied: KASTRUP
Allied: SKRYDSTRUP
Allied: RONNE
Allied: LEEUWARDEN
Allied: EELDE
Allied: DRACHTEN
Allied: DE KOOY
Allied: SCHIPHOL
Allied: TWENTHE
Allied: VALKENBURG
Allied: SOESTERBERG
Allied: DEELEN
Allied: ROTTERDAM
Allied: VOLKEL
Allied: GILZE RIJEN
Allied: EINDHOVEN
Allied: WOENSDRECHT
Allied: MAASTRICHT
Russian: ULEMISTE
Russian: KURESSARRE
Allied: EPINOY
Allied: CREIL
Allied: FRESCATY
Allied: CHARLES DE GAULLE
Allied: LE BOURGET
Allied: ROSIERES
Allied: ORLY
Allied: ROBINSON
Allied: BRETIGNY SUR ORGE
Allied: OCHEY
Allied: ENTZHEIM
Allied: LANDIVISIAU
Allied: CHATEAUDUN
Allied: BRICY
Allied: MEYENHEIM
Allied: ST SAUVEUR
Allied: LANN BIHOUE
Allied: BALE MULHOUSE
Allied: ST SYMPHORIEN
Allied: LONGVIC
Allied: AVORD
Allied: AMBERIEU
Allied: ST AGNANT
Allied: AULNAT
Allied: SATOLAS
Allied: CHATEAUBERNARD
Allied: MERIGNAC
Allied: CAZAUX
Allied: CARITAT
Allied: EGGEBEK
Allied: SCHLESWIG
Allied: KIEL HOLTENAU
Allied: HOHN
Allied: LAAGE
Allied: NORDHOLZ
Allied: WITTMUNDHAFEN
Allied: JEVER
Allied: FASSBERG
Allied: CELLE
Allied: DIEPHOLZ
Allied: TEGEL
Allied: WUNSTORF
Allied: HOPSTEN
Allied: BUCKEBURG
Allied: HOLZDORF
Allied: FRITZLAR
Allied: KOLN BONN
Allied: NORVENICH
Allied: MENDIG
Allied: BUCHEL
Allied: FRANKFURT MAIN
Allied: SPANGDAHLEM AB
Allied: HAHN AB
Allied: BITBURG AB
Allied: SEMBACH AB
Allied: RAMSTEIN AB
Allied: NIEDERSTETTEN
Allied: ZWEIBRUCKEN AB
Allied: INGOLSTADT
Allied: NEUBURG
Allied: STUTTGART
Allied: LEIPHEIM
Allied: ERDING
Allied: LAUPHEIM
Allied: LECHFELD
Allied: LANDSBERG LECH
Allied: MEMMINGEN
Allied: KAUFBEUREN
Russian: FERIHEGY
Russian: TOKOL
Russian: SZOLNOK
Russian: ZALAEGERSZEG
Russian: BALATON/SAGVAR
Russian: NAGYKANIZSA
Russian: TASZAR
Russian: OCSENY
Russian: SZEGED
Russian: PECS EAST
Russian: SATORHELY
Allied: BOLZANO
Allied: AVIANO AB
Allied: MATTARELLO
Allied: RIVOLTO
Allied: ASIAGO
Allied: RONCHI DEI LEGIONARI
Allied: ISTRANA
Allied: TREVISO
Allied: VICENZA
Allied: BRESSO
Allied: CAMERI
Allied: VENEZIA TESSERA
Allied: LINATE
Allied: GHEDI
Allied: VILLAFRANCA
Allied: PADOVA
Allied: PIACENZA
Allied: BOLOGNA
Allied: RAVENNA
Allied: CERVIA
Allied: FORLI
Allied: RIMINI
Allied: PERETOLA
Russian: RIGA CENTRAL
Russian: LIEPAJA EAST
Allied: LUXEMBOURG
Allied: OSLO GARDERMOEN
Allied: RYGGE
Allied: STAVANGER SOLA
Russian: KRZYWAN
Russian: REBIECHOWO
Russian: ZEGRZE POMORSKIE
Russian: SMARDZKO
Russian: GOLENOW
Russian: SZCZECIN HIGHWAY STRIP
Russian: KRZESINY
Russian: OKECIE
Russian: BABIMOST
Russian: STRACHOWICE
Allied: UPPSALA
Allied: BROMMA
Allied: SATENAS
Allied: MALMEN
Allied: ANGELHOLM
Allied: RONNEBY
Allied: LOSSIEMOUTH
Allied: KINLOSS
Allied: GLASGOW
Allied: PRESTWICK
Allied: ALDERGROVE
Allied: LEEMING
Allied: TOPCLIFFE
Allied: LINTON ON OUSE
Allied: CHURCH FENTON
Allied: WOODVALE
Allied: VALLEY
Allied: WADDINGTON
Allied: CONINGSBY
Allied: CRANWELL
Allied: BARKSTON HEATH
Allied: SHAWBURY
Allied: COLTISHALL
Allied: COTTESMORE
Allied: MARHAM
Allied: COSFORD
Allied: WITTERING
Allied: LAKENHEATH
Allied: MILDENHALL
Allied: WATTISHAM
Allied: UPPER HEYFORD
Allied: BRIZE NORTON
Allied: FAIRFORD
Allied: BENSON
Allied: NORTHOLT
Allied: LYNEHAM
Allied: HEATHROW
Allied: ST ATHAN
Allied: ODIHAM
Allied: BOSCOMBE DOWN
Allied: GATWICK
Allied: YEOVILTON
Allied: ST MAWGAN
Allied: PLYMOUTH
Allied: CULDROSE
Allied: ZURICH
Allied: DUBENDORF
Allied: EMMEN
Allied: PAYERNE
Allied: REICHENBACH
Allied: SAMEDAN
Allied: GENEVA COINTRIN
Allied: SION
Russian: MARIBOR
Russian: SLOVENJ GRADEC
Russian: VARAZDIN
Russian: LJUBLJANA
Russian: CERKLJE
Russian: ZAGREB
Russian: SOMBOR
Russian: PORTOROZ
Russian: OSIJEK
Russian: RIJEKA
Russian: BATAJNICA
Russian: BANJA LUKA
Russian: PULA
Russian: BIHAC
Russian: BEOGRAD
Russian: KOVIN
Russian: UDBINA
Russian: TUZLA
Russian: ZADAR
Russian: LEPA GLAVA
Russian: SARAJEVO
Russian: GRODNO
Russian: BREST EAST

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[ccc]

Im scared man, you are running several theaters at the same time!!

sorry, i've no info for europe oob 1980. maybe post a request on Frugals/F4C, see if some servicemen or hard-core military fans could help this.

[Red Dog]

Is that the list we already worked on, Snakeman?

I'll work on Europe during my holidays I'll finalize the rnw orientation according to your ID list.

If you could send me the latest ID list for Europe before friday, that would be great

Cheers
RD

[kinggeorge]

Bolzano : no active aircraft squads but air cavalry helos.
4° Reggimento "Altair"
Bolzano
Augusta AB.206C-1
Augusta AB.205A-1

The runway's rather short for bigger a/c anyway (3000-4000ft)

Klagenfurt has also some sort of air cavalry with some transport helos... thats all

[javanree]

Whoa... nice to see all the progress.

Here's current day placement for the Netherlands AFAIK

Volkel : 3 squads F16
306th F16AM/BM
311th F16AM/BM
312th F16A/B

Twenthe : 2 squads F16
313th F16AM/BM
315th F16AM/BM
620th Hawk/Stinger

Leeuwarden
322th F16AM/BM
323th F16AM/BM
303th AB412SP
630th Hawk/Stinger

Eindhoven
334th KDC10/Gulf IV/Fokker50/Fokker60/C130

Soesterberg
298th CH-47D
300th AS532U2 Cougar

Gilze-Rijen
299th Bo-105
301th AH-64A
302th AH64D

Woensdrecht
EMVO PC7

De Peel
801th Patriot/Hawk/Stinger
802th Patriot/Hawk/Stinger
803th Patriot/Hawk/Stinger
804th Patriot/Hawk/Stinger

I'd say Twenthe, Volkel, Leeuwarden, Soesterberg and Gilze-Rijen are vital, the rest of the units stationed at other bases could be distributed.

Soesterberg was a base for the USAF as well, housing F4's in the seventies, lateron F-15's

Hope this helps, sorry I can't contribute as much as most other folks here.

[MeK]

Hi everyone!

I noticed that Finnish airports Utti and Tampere-Pirkkala were introduced as Russian airports in the campaign. I know it is impossible to simulate every country and its airforce in this game, but...anyway, as a Finn I just had to say something

[Guard]

For Europe, does`nt it have the southern part of Norway included? If so, will you add the 332 squad (F-16A/B [with MLU]) from RNoAF?
And at Stavanger / Sola there is an 330 Squadrone with Sea Kings (If I`m not totally wrong here...)

[SACEUR]

http://www.fighter-jets.de/fighterjets/index.html

This german site has also the data on the NVA (GDR) forces 1956-1990.

[Alicatt]

Hi,
I have just installed the Europe theater and everything seemed fine until I started to build a TE from my home airfield, Wick, North Scotland only to find it was over 100km to far north and is in the north sea which makes for difficult take offs and landings

Regards Alicatt

[87th_striker]

Latest Air Forces Monthly, August edition, has a poster of European Military Air Bases Locations attached. Must be some hundred bases there. Seems to cover current main bases only. Iceland, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova and western Russia are not covered. Neither is Kaliningrad.
www.airforcesmonthly.com