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1991 Loadouts - DataBase
Here is the beginning of Desert Storm 1991 historical loadout editing. This is just something I did as the guys were so nice and instructed me how to use F4Browse. Thanks, appreciated.
As Icebrain posted in the another area
http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/cgi-bin/u ... 3&t=000078
Things to remove:
From all a/c: AIM-120 (not yet in service)
F-16
GBU-xx (no ability to self-designate during ODS; JDAM/JSOW not in service)
AGM-88 (except on certain block 30)
F-15
J-weapons
GBU-28 (not cleared at that time)
F-14
Consider removing AIM-54 (ROE prevented it from being used)
F-18
GBU-xx (no ability to self-designate during ODS; JDAM/JSOW not in service)
AIM-120
CBU-97
B-52
All J-weapons, AGM-84E, AGM-142
A-6 should have inner HP brought up to 6 bombs (Mk-82/20)
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I have no pretty much removed: all AIM-120B, AIM-9X, AIM-54C, AGM-*, GBU-* (yes even F-15 heh), J-weapons.
Also I removed the AGM-88's from F-15, F-16.
So where do we need to go from here, what mistakes I did with that above editing etc?
Now the DB files then, I've noticed that F4Browse do not change the filedates on edited files (at least for me). So if some DB/F4Browse guru could help me out and instruct that what files do we need to include in the installer to ship out new and edited loadouts?
Let the editing begin!
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As Icebrain posted in the another area
http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/cgi-bin/u ... 3&t=000078
Things to remove:
From all a/c: AIM-120 (not yet in service)
F-16
GBU-xx (no ability to self-designate during ODS; JDAM/JSOW not in service)
AGM-88 (except on certain block 30)
F-15
J-weapons
GBU-28 (not cleared at that time)
F-14
Consider removing AIM-54 (ROE prevented it from being used)
F-18
GBU-xx (no ability to self-designate during ODS; JDAM/JSOW not in service)
AIM-120
CBU-97
B-52
All J-weapons, AGM-84E, AGM-142
A-6 should have inner HP brought up to 6 bombs (Mk-82/20)
---
I have no pretty much removed: all AIM-120B, AIM-9X, AIM-54C, AGM-*, GBU-* (yes even F-15 heh), J-weapons.
Also I removed the AGM-88's from F-15, F-16.
So where do we need to go from here, what mistakes I did with that above editing etc?
Now the DB files then, I've noticed that F4Browse do not change the filedates on edited files (at least for me). So if some DB/F4Browse guru could help me out and instruct that what files do we need to include in the installer to ship out new and edited loadouts?
Let the editing begin!
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Re: 1991 Loadouts - DataBase
As the topic says, these are the 1991 loadouts for historical Desert Storm campaign (or theater).
We will be including fictional theater/campaign with the current goodies from SP3 like GBU's, AIM-120B's, B-1B bombers etc. But... its bit off topic here, we are discussing about historical stuff now
Just to clear things up.
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We will be including fictional theater/campaign with the current goodies from SP3 like GBU's, AIM-120B's, B-1B bombers etc. But... its bit off topic here, we are discussing about historical stuff now
Just to clear things up.
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Re: 1991 Loadouts - DataBase
The loss of AIM-120's set me in a fit at first.... a fit of research
Yep, they weren't utilized in ODS. This is historically correct and perfectly acceptable. I've sent you some more information via email. I hope it's helpful
Yep, they weren't utilized in ODS. This is historically correct and perfectly acceptable. I've sent you some more information via email. I hope it's helpful
Re: 1991 Loadouts - DataBase
Hi,
What about the weapons for the opfor, what should be taken out of their inventory?
What about the weapons for the opfor, what should be taken out of their inventory?
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Re: 1991 Loadouts - DataBase
Ok, a few updates for this...
CBU-97 was not developed at the time... should be removed.
The only coalition aircraft to employ LGB's were, AFAIK:
A-6E (was capable/had designator, not sure how many they dropped though).
F-111 (often carried multiple GBU-12 for "plinking")
F-15E (not sure if GBU-10/24 was cleared for FAST pack points yet, though I know GBU-12 was)
F-117
Buccaneer (?)
Tornado (?)
AGM-65 should remain on the Hornet, Harrier, A-10, F-4, and F-16. You may wish to limit squadron supply or the rarity value, since they were (and still are) rather expensive. F-111 squads should only get 1 or 2 GBU-28's since they were rush developed during the war and only 2 were dropped in combat.
F-111 should retain the GBU-15 (but not AGM-130; pretty sure it had not yet been developed). They used those for a few high-precision targets.
AGM-123 was in use as well, though should be limited only to A-6E.
HARM-capable aircraft: F-4G, F-18, a few F-16's, EA-6B, and possibly A-7.
As for AIM-120... a handful were captive-carried in the last couple days of the conflict by F-15's but none were fired (I think this may have just been a PR boost thing.. "look, we deployed them in combat"). But for loadouts, it should be left out.
F-16 wing stations should allow 3 CBU-52/58 instead of current 2; this is a historical load (see VITS).
Iraq: I'm not sure if they had R-73/AA-11 by that point, it would be a safe bet to reduce the squadron stores. They probably didn't have most of the precision-guided AG weapons either.
If I dig up anything else I'll pass it along.
Also, has anyone figured out how to make BUFFs launch CALCM's from longer range? (I know one of the pilots on that mission, would be fun to duplicate it)
CBU-97 was not developed at the time... should be removed.
The only coalition aircraft to employ LGB's were, AFAIK:
A-6E (was capable/had designator, not sure how many they dropped though).
F-111 (often carried multiple GBU-12 for "plinking")
F-15E (not sure if GBU-10/24 was cleared for FAST pack points yet, though I know GBU-12 was)
F-117
Buccaneer (?)
Tornado (?)
AGM-65 should remain on the Hornet, Harrier, A-10, F-4, and F-16. You may wish to limit squadron supply or the rarity value, since they were (and still are) rather expensive. F-111 squads should only get 1 or 2 GBU-28's since they were rush developed during the war and only 2 were dropped in combat.
F-111 should retain the GBU-15 (but not AGM-130; pretty sure it had not yet been developed). They used those for a few high-precision targets.
AGM-123 was in use as well, though should be limited only to A-6E.
HARM-capable aircraft: F-4G, F-18, a few F-16's, EA-6B, and possibly A-7.
As for AIM-120... a handful were captive-carried in the last couple days of the conflict by F-15's but none were fired (I think this may have just been a PR boost thing.. "look, we deployed them in combat"). But for loadouts, it should be left out.
F-16 wing stations should allow 3 CBU-52/58 instead of current 2; this is a historical load (see VITS).
Iraq: I'm not sure if they had R-73/AA-11 by that point, it would be a safe bet to reduce the squadron stores. They probably didn't have most of the precision-guided AG weapons either.
If I dig up anything else I'll pass it along.
Also, has anyone figured out how to make BUFFs launch CALCM's from longer range? (I know one of the pilots on that mission, would be fun to duplicate it)
Re: 1991 Loadouts - DataBase
Another thing: The AGM-62 Walleye was valid on the F-18. I think a few AGM-84E's were expended as well.
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Could someone start to list what weapons the Iraqi aircraft had in 1991, please?
Could someone start to list what weapons the Iraqi aircraft had in 1991, please?
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A/A weapons
R60
R27R
R60MK
R40RD
R40TD
Thats from here
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_404.shtml
They might also have had
SUPER 530D
R60M
R550 Magic
R23
R24
Super 530F
AIM9B
R13
R13M
R60
R27R
R60MK
R40RD
R40TD
Thats from here
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_404.shtml
They might also have had
SUPER 530D
R60M
R550 Magic
R23
R24
Super 530F
AIM9B
R13
R13M
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My notice is that EVERY missile in this era are too accurate in the game. I made some changes with F4Browse and modified the simadata.zip.
I reduced the manouverability some missiles and increased the flare chance value. Especially the R-27R (AA-10A) is TOO accurate (But the R-73 and the AIM-9M have the same problem). The germans try this weapon with this MIG-29s and they noticed, that weapon has almost the a same characteristics thet AIM-7E (!!) Sparrow. The hit chace was about 15% in a test shooting. (And in a war action will be more little...) In the game is MUCH higher that nuber.
This modifications needs for Europe need all theater I think. Intrested by anyone? You have to copy and backup some file to work the modifications.
I used F4Browse and edited text in simdata. I correct the chaff/falre capabilities for russiean planes and I set new quantities becasue the original were incorrect for some aicraft.
I have an excel table that shows what I changed and how. Contains the old and the new values.
I reduced the manouverability some missiles and increased the flare chance value. Especially the R-27R (AA-10A) is TOO accurate (But the R-73 and the AIM-9M have the same problem). The germans try this weapon with this MIG-29s and they noticed, that weapon has almost the a same characteristics thet AIM-7E (!!) Sparrow. The hit chace was about 15% in a test shooting. (And in a war action will be more little...) In the game is MUCH higher that nuber.
This modifications needs for Europe need all theater I think. Intrested by anyone? You have to copy and backup some file to work the modifications.
I used F4Browse and edited text in simdata. I correct the chaff/falre capabilities for russiean planes and I set new quantities becasue the original were incorrect for some aicraft.
I have an excel table that shows what I changed and how. Contains the old and the new values.
S-M actually GBU-28 was first time used at the end of the 1991 war. it wasn't the real bomb we have today but it was a one month made out of some US old cannon... yes, the buddy of it was the barrel of the cannon... so maybe you can consider to leave it out of the list... just for last mission bunker busting maybe.
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Holy crap... I was reading through this thread, and I saw a post with a lot of stuff in it... only to get to the bottom of it and realize it was mine from almost 5 years ago!
Anyways, what you might could do about the Phoenix issue is remove it from squadron stores, but leave it on the airplane (for TE and such).
Anyways, what you might could do about the Phoenix issue is remove it from squadron stores, but leave it on the airplane (for TE and such).
The R27 was used in the Eritrea-Ethiopeia war and did not hit much at all, most kills were using heaters or cannon. The export version of the R27 has a very low pk I think in one case several R27s were fired and none hit. If you goto acig.org you can read more about it in the Ethiopeia-Eritrea war.molnibalage wrote:My notice is that EVERY missile in this era are too accurate in the game. I made some changes with F4Browse and modified the simadata.zip.
I reduced the manouverability some missiles and increased the flare chance value. Especially the R-27R (AA-10A) is TOO accurate (But the R-73 and the AIM-9M have the same problem). The germans try this weapon with this MIG-29s and they noticed, that weapon has almost the a same characteristics thet AIM-7E (!!) Sparrow. The hit chace was about 15% in a test shooting. (And in a war action will be more little...) In the game is MUCH higher that nuber.
This modifications needs for Europe need all theater I think. Intrested by anyone? You have to copy and backup some file to work the modifications.
I used F4Browse and edited text in simdata. I correct the chaff/falre capabilities for russiean planes and I set new quantities becasue the original were incorrect for some aicraft.
I have an excel table that shows what I changed and how. Contains the old and the new values.
http://fafa.griffons.free.fr/Falcon4/Th ... DS_OOB.xls
is updated, however it concerns historical and modern airforces mixed.
is updated, however it concerns historical and modern airforces mixed.
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These pages describes the ODS datas, but represents the era of middle and late years of '80s.
Whats the name of this book?molnibalage wrote:http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176818474.jpg
http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176818707.jpg
http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176818812.jpg
http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176818846.jpg
http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176818904.jpg
http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176818952.jpg
http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176818989.jpg
http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176819012.jpg
http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176819162.jpg
These pages describes the ODS datas, but represents the era of middle and late years of '80s.
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