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ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by Snowman » 2002-09-24 16:38:00

The F4 Voice Group is producing new ATC voices for the various theaters, including Vietnam.

Our actors would appreciate some help with the pronounciation of the airbase names. It would be most helpful if someone could record the names clearly and send the file to me at r_w_crawford@yahoo.com .

The list of airbase names follows. Please let me know if there are any changes.

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AMPHOE
AN HOA
AN KHE
BA GI
BA TO NEW
BAI THUONG
BALDY (Airstrip)
BAN ME THUOT CITY
BAN ME THUOT EAST (Airstrip)
BU KRAK
BU PRANG
BUON BLECH
BUON TSUKL (Airstrip)
CHEO REO
CHU LAI
CU LAO RE
DA NANG (or Marble Mountain?)
DAK SEANG (Airstrip)
DAK TO
DIEN BIEN PHU
DONG CAO
DONG HOI
DONG TRE (Airstrip)
DUC CO
DUC LAP
DUC PHO (Airstrip)
GIA VUC
HA TAN (Airstrip)
HA THANH
HAI PHONG CAT BI
HAI PHONG KIEN AN
HANOI CITY = GIALAM
HENSEL
HOA LAC
HUE PHU BAI (Airstrip)
KEP
KHAM DUC (Airstrip)
KHON KAEN
KHON KAEN NEW
KONTUM
KORHAT
LOENG NOK THA (Airstrip)
MANG BUK
MINH LONG
MO DUC
MUONG BOUM
NA SAN
NAKHON PHANOM
NAKHON PHANOM (Airstrip)
NAM LANG
NAM PHONG
NAM PHUNG DAM NORTH (Airstrip)
NINH HOA
NOI BAI (HANOI)
OASIS
PHU CAT
PHU HIEP (Airstrip)
PHU KHIEO
PHU TUC
PLATEAU GI
PLEI DJERENG
PLEI DO LIM
PLEIKU
POLEI KLENG
SA
SAKON NAKHON
SONG CAU
TAM KY
TAN SHON NUT
TIEN PHUOC (Airstrip)
TUY HOA
UBON
UDON
VAN CANH
VINH
VINH THANH
WATTHANA

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by Red Dog » 2002-09-25 14:02:00

Colin, I would wait before spending some time on Vietnam. At least until the definitive airbase list is available :)

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by Cooler69 » 2002-09-25 17:11:00

I'm Colin, he's Bob ;)
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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by Snowman » 2002-09-25 22:02:00

No, I'm Bob and he's Colin! :D

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by Snowman » 2002-09-25 22:10:00

RD - let me know when a definitive list is available and I will alter the voice actors script accordingly.

(we'll still need a pronounciation guide) ;)

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by chance » 2002-09-27 06:48:00

quote:Originally posted by Snowman:
The list of airbase names follows.
Snowman very few on the list qaulify as "airbases".

Chu Lai
Da Nang
Diem Bien Phu was an airstrip where the French got their butts kicked in 1954, never an airbase
Nakhon Phanom - NKP
Nam Phong (Rose Garden) only used during LB II
Phu Cat
Tan Son Nhut
Tuy Hoa
Udorn
Ubon
Korat

Phu Bai had a lot of Army fixed wing and choppers, no Air Force there.

Ban Me Thuot (2 OTT)would only have ATC transmissions with choppers, 0-2s and 0-1s, along with those a/c the guys from Pyramid talked to.

Kon Kaen might have a U-10 or CH-3 nosing around but most of the radio traffic would be the Army ammo convoys between Udorn and NKP.

You have locations from SVN, NVN,Thailand, Laos and Cambod listed here. Many on the list were uncontrolled "airfields" (at best). Duc Co, Duc Lap, Bu Prang and Dak Seang, etc were nothing more than SF Camps with red strips of laterite inside or outside the wire.

A list such as yours is invaluable, but is going to need some tweaking if it is not to be overly confusing to someone not familiar with the geographical sub domains of SEA.

If you are working on a list of locations that would actually talk to an F-4 driver, that could be put together in pretty short order.

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by Red Dog » 2002-09-27 08:16:00

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Cooler69:
I'm Colin, he's Bob :(

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by Red Dog » 2002-09-27 08:21:00

quote:Originally posted by chance:
Snowman very few on the list qaulify as "airbases".
he he great info there.
Chance, I'll need your knowledge for sure!

Vietnam will be a dream with so few airbases compared to ODS :) I'll make a "pre" list for VietNam as soon as the TCN list for ODS and Korea are done.
I hope I can work on it with Chance - or it will be me working with Chance :D .
Anyway, I'll forward it to you.

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by chance » 2002-09-27 20:08:00

Red Dog

Here is your basic, off the top of the head, SEA Principal Airbaselist. Keep in mind these bases are the Biggies, and with the noted exceptions are then only ones jet aircraft operated from. All of these bases were in either SVN or Thailand. For political reasons Thailand based a/c were, except in extreme situations such as Khe Sanh and TET '68, restricted from operating in SVN. Their primary job was kicking the poop out of the north. After peckerhead johnson stopped the bombing of the north in Nov 68, HCTrail interdiction in Loas became the primary mission of the Thailand base a/c.

Principal Airbases in SEA along with some of what flew from each. Remeber, nothing is accurate without dates/time frames.

Thailand:
U-Tapao - BUFFs, tankers, U-2s, SR-71s, DC-130s, etc
Don Muang (BKK)- F-100s, F-101s, C-130s in the early days. TAC Airlift for most of the festivities
Takhli - F-105s
Korat - F-105s
Ubon - F-4s (the mighty Wolfpack)
Udorn - F-4s
Nakhon Phanom (NKP) - No jets. A-1s, T-28s, A-26s, HH-3s, HH-53s, CH-3 and CH-53s. 0-1s, 0-2s, OV-10s, C-123s, U-10s and C/AC/EC-47s and a whole bunch more.
Nam Phong - Marine F-4s and others during Linebacker II

SVN
Tan Son Nhut - RF-101s, RF-4s
Bien Hoa - F-100s, A-37s
Phan Rang - F-100s, later F-4s I think
Cam Ranh Bay F-4s and major TAC Airlift center
Nha Trang - No jets, Major Air Command Operations Center and TAC Airlift
Tuy Hoa - F-100s
Phu Cat - F-100s, F-4s
Pleiku - No jets, Another Air Commando hangout
Chu Lai - Jarheads, F-4, A-4, F-8, and whaever Marines fly.
Da Nang - F-4s

From the Delta (Binh Thuy) to the DMZ (Dong Ha) there were airstrips, airfields and wide spots in the road (Song Be City) where a/c operated from. Airstrips appeared and disappeared with the Special Forces camps they supported. Lima Sites in Laos were overrun then retaken and reopened with the changing of the seasons.

The "big" bases were there from beginning (or at least from the time they were built) to end. Everything else depended on the date. There were a lot of Bases/Camps that were very important Air Operations Centers but did not support jet aircraft. Phu Bai, Tay Ninh, Binh Thuy, Phuoc Vinh in SVN, Long Tieng, Savanakhet, Pakse, Louang Phrabang and Vientiane in Loas.

This is what I meant about focus and tweaking. The whole thing can get confusing when taken as a whole (440+ Lima Sites alone), but becomes much more manageable when compartmentalized as with the Jet Bases.

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by chance » 2002-10-13 20:26:00

Lets start an Air Base Basic Comm/Info file. This will be for Jet Capeable Bases Only. Beginning in SVN we will start with Victor 1, Tan Son Nhut, Saigon Airport.

The way we pronounced it: taan sa nuut. Common reference was TSN.

TACAN Channel 102
Runways: Left and Right 07-25 deg, 11000'

Communications:
Saigon Radio 126.9
Capital Center: 295.9
Saigon Control: 353.7/332.8/255.4, more
Saigon Approach Control: 363.8
Saigon Tower: 236.6
Saigon Ground Control: 275.8
Saigon Departure Control: 261.4

Traffic Pattern:
Overhead tfc ptns break S; Rectangular tfc ptns to all rwys will be made N of fld at 1500' for acft with downwind speeds exceeding 141 kts or less.

Notes/Warnings:
Acft will not overfly Saigon or Cholon VFR below 5000' unless directed by ATC. IFR departing acft will not taxi until IFR clnc is rcvd. Aircraft will not turn out of traffic until reaching fld bdry.
CAUTION: Acft may arr/dep tml area at greater than normal rates of decent/acent for weapons/small arms avoidance.

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by chance » 2002-10-13 22:11:00

Victor 2, Bien Hoa
TACAN Channel 73
Runways 09-27 L&R, 11100',concrete

Pronounced: Ben Wha

Communications:
Tower 341.1
Ground Control: 274.1
Deaprture: Saigon dep ctrl 261.4
GCA: 364.1

Patterns: Left tfc ptn for Rwys 09-27L; Right tfc ptn for TRwys 09-27F. Penetration alt 1000'

Notes:
Acft on downwind for 09-27L and on break for 27L are not vis from twr at all times. Bien Hoa tfc app from W or dep to W maintain 2000' or above beyond 4.5 NM from BH TACAN. Acft flying 1000' rectangular ptn use caution entering downwind.

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Re: ATC for Vietnam Airbases

Post by chance » 2002-10-13 22:25:00

Victor 3, Da Nang
TACAN Channel 77
Runways 17-35L/R, 11100', concrete/asphalt

Pronounced: Duh Nang or Daa Nang

Communications:
Tower: 236.6
Approach Control: 367.0
Ground Control: 275.8
Departure Control: 305.9

Pattern:
Rectangular tfc ptns left for Rwy 17, rgt for Rwy 35. Ptn entry pt: 1 Corps Bridges apprx 2 mi E of fld at 1000' CAUTION-app pt from the E to avoid area of high tfe congestion

CAUTION: Rwy is extremely slippery when wet due to rubber deposits on smooth sfc abd a high crown.

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