RedViper Database for theaters

[ccc]

i think i've answered vietnam part.

apart from cargo planes, most ac need minor DB tweak, more or less.

[i_hawk]

So is it safe to say by now that nobody of you know the RV db loadout specs if they are historical or not?

I'm no DB expert but i know the DB to some degree. if you look at HPs in F4Browse in RV DB, you'll find F-18ODS HPs and 1 F-4NAM HP which i assume reference to some special loadouts... but that's not the case in general. most HPs don't have such dual "theater brother".

If you need i already have such HPs manually saved for ODS and Europe. also saved the WLD file...thought that's what you were looking for...

[Snake Man]

apart from cargo planes, most ac need minor DB tweak, more or less.

That was the answer what this topic was there for, thank you

[molnibalage]

http://users.cwi.hu/sgupload/1176818474.jpg

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These pages describes the ODS datas, but represents the era of middle and late years of '80s.

[Snake Man]

These are two exaples, but it lists EVERY squadron with these original home base and home base in the conflict. Will I upload here all of them?

Excellent pictures, yes please put them all online so we can check them out.

[molnibalage]

These are two exaples, but it lists EVERY squadron with these original home base and home base in the conflict. Will I upload here all of them?

Excellent pictures, yes please put them all online so we can check them out.

These were everything for database.

[ccc]

apart from cargo planes, most ac need minor DB tweak, more or less.

That was the answer what this topic was there for, thank you

i checked my RV install again, it seems my list is ok.

if possible, split vnam campaigns into early, mid, and late stages, use ac of different timeframes. such as..

early stage use F100D, F102A, F105, A4, F8, A7. mig17
mid stage use F-4C/D, F-4B/C , RF101C, F105D/G, A7, A6, mig17/19/21F-13
Late stage use F-4E, F-4J, F111 A7, A6. RA5C, RF-4C, mig17/19/21F-13/PF/PFM

vnam experts may help correcting my list.

[ccc]

collecting some info from wiki..

early- F100, F102, F105DG, RF101, F4B/C, F5A, F8, A1, A3, A4C/E, A5, B52, Mig17/21F

mid - F102, RF101, F105D/G, F4B/D/E, F111A F-8. A1, A4C/E, A6, A7, B52, mig17/19/21f/PF

late- F105D/G, F4D/E/J. F111A. A1, A4E, A6, A7, RA-5C, B52, RF4C, mig17/19/21PF/MF

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F-100D 1962-66 active, then phase out.
F-100F ?
F-104C? 1965-67
F-102A 1962-68. AA and AG role use rocket!! AIM4 for AG !!
RF-101C 1961-70. replaced by RF-4C in 70.
F-105D 1965-70
F-f105G 1966-72
F-4B/C 1964
F-4D from 1967-end, replace F4C.
F-4E 1968-end.
F-4J 1971-end.
F-111A 1968-72
F-5A 1965
F-8E 1965-68?
A-1 1965/66-72
A-3/KA-3/EA-3 1965-67
A-4B/C/E 1964-72 (later use by USMC)
RA-5C 1968-end
A-6A/B 1965-end
EA-6A? 1966-?
A-7B/C/D/E 1967-end?
B-52D 1965-end
RF-4C 1970-72
mig-17 1965-end
mig-19 1970?
mig-21 65-73, early year use F, later use PF/MF.

[ccc]

PS - F-4N joined the vnam war in late stage. so it can be added in late stage campaign, fly along with F-4J.

mig-19, may add to mid and late stage campaign.

mig-21, in early stage use F/PF, then move to PFM/MF is late stage.

[ccc]

@SM - i've read you post in OF database support thread..

an idea comes to me.. in this RV objects folder,

C:\MicroProse\Falcon4\terrdata\objects

it contains all data files - about 138mb. model and textuxre related files stand for 134 mb.

so- you probably don't have to duplicate a full copy of objects folder for new theaters. you just need THE 4mb data files swapping in and out. if you need theater-specifc texture, then add tens mb of texture related files for swapping.

[molnibalage]

" you just need THE 4mb data files swapping in and out. if you need theater-specifc texture, then add tens mb of texture related files for swapping."

True.

[Snake Man]

Comparing RV database to SP4.2 which I use as base in my Tacedit, I found out at least the following (this is just a quick play around in Europe theater).

The class ID values are from SP4.2 db, I dont know if these aircrafts are located under some other IDs in RV etc. But at least we cannot have one compatible campaign with these values. Uhm dunno if I make any sense heh.

not working in RV:
U2, O1, FB111.

not existing but no CTD in RV:
SU22, SU32.

Ultimately we need to have the compatibility between RV - OF - AF, but I always assume all these databases are grown from SP4.2 so in all sense the existing stuff should not have been removed.

[icebrain]

A few things:
There is an F-18C "ODS" version, but you have to open the vehicle record and look at the hardpoints to see it. The ODS hardpoints you mentioned are listed under it.

Also, with the F-14/Phoenix stuff: First, I wouldn't remove it from the loadout for ODS, just set squadron stores to zero. They were not allowed to carry it because of ROE limitations. Also, I've read several sources that say F-14's only flew fleet defense, and did not operate over Iraq itself because they lacked the necessary IFF equipment.

I don't think Iraq operated the R-27/AA-10.

Only the F-14A and A+ (later redesignated B) were active in ODS, and only in the A/A role.

Also I think the Marines operated the AV-8B by that point.