A-1 skyraider

[ccc]

I think Spad is a must-have for Vnam. We probably could use An-2 for it at present.

http://www.hyperscale.com/features/a1hir_1.htm

[Tazz]

Erhm .. an AN-2 doesnt really look much like an A-1, let alone performs like one.

[172ndhamm]

A spad would be cool. Even after the USN phased them out ( 1967-68?? ) the USAF and VNAF kept them in service. Spads and HH-53's staged out of Naked Phanny, in support of SAR ops in Laos and North Vietnam right up to the end, didn't they?

[ccc]

Ya, as no good shape for it at present, An-2 shape is adequate for spad, just got to change its class and arm with guns/bombs/rockets.

[172ndhamm]

As long as we're talking new aircraft or this sort, in 1964, the US gave the Royal Laotian Air Force thirty T-28 Trojans (armed, they were designated NOMAD Fighter/Bombers.) Flown ocasionally by the Laotians, they were reportedly flown almost as much by USAF pilots and Thai mercenaries in the secret war against the Laotian communists. The T-28 also served with the VNAF, and with the U.S. RAVEN FAC's.

[Tazz]

T-28s were the primary lead-in trainer for the USN for the transition from prop to jet aircraft.

The T-28 was build to act, handle and feel like a jet but be a prop aircraft.

The T-28's donated to the South Vietnamese Air Force were armed and used for COIN operations. After the USN started to phase out the A-1 Skyraider, when the A-6 Intruder entered service, quite a number of A-1 Skyraiders entered service with the South Vietnamese Air Force.

The USAF kept their A-1s in service, almost all of them were operated by SOC units (Special Operations Command). Most of these A-1's were used as "Sandy" escorts for CSAR flights (Combat Search and Rescue).

We realllllllllllllly need an A-1 3d model, cause I couldnt stand seeing an An-2 trying to be the most beautiful prop aircraft ever build!

[ccc]

OK OK, will go build one.

hehe, just receive a new tool for 3d thing from Julian, will test it ASAP!!

[Tazz]

Want some pics?

Hmmm Id love to have an A-1 cockpit as well!!! Whoaah!! I'd only fly the entire Vietnam campaign in my A-1 skyraider.

What kind of missions can the campaign engine assign to it? The A-1s were used for Interdiction and well.. BAI, and RESCAP.. is that possible as well in Falcon 4.0? Otherwise we'll see A-1s fly from Tan Son Nut airbase (near Seoul)all the way to Hanoi to attack some ships there or something stupid like that

[172ndhamm]

yah yah yah yah!!! I loved the A-1 in FA! On October 9th, 1966, two A-1's from the USS Intrepid flying RESCAP on an SAR mission were attacked by two MIG17's. Those MIG's were shot down (YEAH, TWO!!) by two more Skyraiders who had sped to the rescue.


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[ccc]

Ok, here it is.

[Tazz]

I'd hate to tell you this but there are over 8 different models of the A-1, each looks different too.. which version would you like to make?

Not all versions were used in Vietnam for Combat missions (like an EAW version etc), but the 2 main differences between the various A-1's were the "bubble" canopy one (like your model above) and the "fat" canopy version. I'll try to get pics of both. Personally.. I dunno which one I like best. The bubble canopy is very good looking, but there is just something about that "fat" canopy version..




[This message has been edited by Tazz (edited January 12, 2001).]

[Tazz]

This is what I mean:

"Bubble" canopy A-1 Skyraider:





and Fat Canopy A-1 Skyraider.







And just some pics to drool over!





All pics came from http://skyraider.org/ ... they have a lot of info there on A-1s and Spad Squadrons in Vietnam!

I'm sorry I went a lil overboard here.. but ahh.. such a pretty bird!!

I know there are atleast 2 A-1 "Spads" warbirds flying in Europe, I could try to contact them and ask for cockpit pictures or perhaps sound-samples?

[ccc]

ya, nice pics! I've visited there too.
In fact I got 3-view line drawing among those site to build this one. Its undoubtedly the bubble canopy.
Will model different variants, if the first could be imported successfully.

[Tazz]

There is one A-1 Skyraider in Belgium (it's based about 200 km from my house) and that particular A-1 is actually airworthy and is often found on my airshows. I could perhaps contact the owner (I have his address) and see if I can get some cockpit pictures or perhaps some sound recordings or so?

I tell you, if we can get a realistic A-1 cockpit and sounds and 3D model and FM, forget flying the F-16 or the F-4 in Vietnam. I'm going to a Spad-Driver

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Tazz:
There is one A-1 Skyraider in Belgium (it's based about 200 km from my house) and that particular A-1 is actually airworthy and is often found on my airshows. I could perhaps contact the owner (I have his address) and see if I can get some cockpit pictures or perhaps some sound recordings or so?

I tell you, if we can get a realistic A-1 cockpit and sounds and 3D model and FM, forget flying the F-16 or the F-4 in Vietnam. I'm going to a Spad-Driver

This kind of thinking is what makes Falcon 4.0 so unbeliavable flight combat simulation that we will fly it for five+ more years to come!

Absolutely you should contact the owner

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
hehe, just receive a new tool for 3d thing from Julian, will test it ASAP!!

Hey! gimme some details?

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[ccc]

emm.. in short, add/remove new vehicles with all their related files thru f4p.
You can read details in latest issue of f4 newsletter. Julian made it very clear there.

well, though in very early stage, this plugin tool and its addon files works. it proves we can add/remove new vehicles thru f4patch(accroding to theaters or your favorite).

As for 3d models themselves, there are still some "see-thru"s.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
emm.. in short, add/remove new vehicles with all their related files thru f4p.
You can read details in latest issue of f4 newsletter. Julian made it very clear there.

Uhm, where can I read this newsletter on the web? (I dont want my email flooded).

quote:As for 3d models themselves, there are still some "see-thru"s.

Meaning you can see though the 3d object? But is it basically possible to import new 3d objects already?

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[ccc]

Oops! didnt you order a copy?
Visit Andre's FlightSim Cafe, ask him to mail you the 1st issue of 2001. sorry i dropped it days ago.

and, it seems new 3d models can be converted and viewable in KoreaObj files with F4browse's "view obj" function. but no moving parts, no internal links, etc...so not viewable in f4 tactical reference. plus our well-known bug "some visible hidden faces of 3d models". Even though, converted samples look cool.
so, IMHO the answer to your second question is Yes.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
Oops! didnt you order a copy?
Visit Andre's FlightSim Cafe, ask him to mail you the 1st issue of 2001.

Hmm is that some text file or something? because I dont want to email to get flooded with some auto subscribe crap that send me tons of mail daily...

quote:plus our well-known bug "some visible hidden faces of 3d models". Even though, converted samples look cool.
so, IMHO the answer to your second question is Yes.

So what are we waiting for, lets bring (bad) 3d model of Thud and other interesting aircrafts to Vietnam War?

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[ccc]

Actually I've asked Julian to help a complete,viewable mig17 in sim, whatevere "see-thru" or not.

[Tazz]

Snake,
The Falcon 4.0 newsletter is plain text, not HTML so very small in size and at best you get it once a week.

It's not a mailinglist where everyone can mail to. Julian usually mails breakthroughs and stuff to the editor and they compile it into a digest form with all news and facts and that's it.

It's no massive mailinglist or something like that.

[Tazz]

Okay, I just send an email to the onwer of this AD-4N Skyraider:



For the aircraft enthousiasts among us, this specific airframe, construction number 7765 has quite a history.

It served in the US Navy as BuNo 126965, it was then sold to the French Air Force where it served with serial "54". It was then sold or "leased" to the Chad Air Force where it served with serial 16965. It was being operated by french mercenaries and undoubtly it saw combat action in Africa. I'm not quite sure if this airframe served in Vietnam but it's a good possibility. It was then returned to the French Air Force and it was actually the last operational French AD-4N Skyraider until the late 70s.

Anyway I contacted the owner to ask if he could help us out with detailed photographs of the cockpit or perhaps arrange a meeting where I can take those pics myself. All I need now is a good digital camera.... lemme see if I can work something out there.

Hopefully we can establish good contact with the owner, cause if it's up to me - we'd end up with a major butt kicking Spad Simulator!

[Widowmaker]

Do you know someone who owns a EF2000???

[Tazz]

Did you try to contact the Public Affairs office of British Aerospace? I used to get lots of stuff from there, photographs and pictures and brochures etc.

I can dig up the address if you like?

[Tazz]

Widow,

I can't find the British Areospace addresses rightnow but I did dig up this:

The Public Relations Department
Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH
Arabellestrasse 16
D-8000 Munich 81
Germany

I don't know if that's still the correct address for the Eurofighter Consortium office but its worth a shot.

I do have a picture of a military Eurofighter simulator, developed in the late 80s, early 90s and it shows somewhat of the cockpit (MFD's etc) but ofcourse in 10 years they could have changed the layout.

[172ndhamm]

All ready to start makin skins...

[Tazz]

Haven't heard yet from the A-1 owner. Hopefully I'll get some reply soon!

[Bigfoot1]

I am seriously, heavily drooling

Jane's USAF has a great-looking Spad and a Vietnam campaign, but, well, it still is Jane's USAF...

[172ndhamm]

The a-1e two-seater was the model used in Jane's usaf, and it was almost universaly disliked by the usaf FAC's, who preferred the single-seat bubble canopied A-1H model. The two-seater you saw in Jane'USAF s was disliked primarily because the pilot couldn't see as easily out the right side of the cockpit as he could with the H model. When you're down in the weeds in a high-threat groundfire-thick enviroment, that's an important issue.

[ccc]

Hi Hamm,
how's the pit?

http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/ubb/Forum ... 00038.html

those camo schemes are great! too bad we cant import 3d models yet. be patient...


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[chance]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazz:
For the aircraft enthousiasts among us, this specific airframe, construction number 7765 has quite a history.
It was being operated by french mercenaries and undoubtly it saw combat action in Africa. I'm not quite sure if this airframe served in Vietnam but it's a good possibility. It was then returned to the French Air Force and it was actually the last operational French AD-4N Skyraider until the late 70s.

A1-J #765 flew out of NKP, Thailand. In '68 the a/c crashed on the PDJ, Lima 25 I believe, and was brought back to NKP on the hook. A/c was repaired and flew again.

[chance]

quote:Originally posted by 172ndhamm:
All ready to start makin skins...

ET Tail Code were from Pleiku, SVN. TT, TS, TC were A-1's at NKP, Thailand. A-1E/G were the two seaters, H's and J's the single seaters. You were right about the viz problem with the E/G, but they were not flown by FACs. T-28's were alowed to "self-FAC but the A-1s required a REAL FAC. NAIL FACs flew from NKP first using 0-1's then 0-2's and finally going to the OV-10's in '70.